[WF-Infra] Status on Web Migration.

Bryce Harrington bryce at neptune.net
Mon Oct 8 11:40:05 PDT 2001

Okay, good to hear you've found an area to work in.  Let me know if you
need anything further.

On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Michael Miyabara-McCaskey wrote:

> Bryce,
> Thank you for the thoughtful response. I also appreciate you jumping back
> onto IRC on Saturday, and having a variety of dicussions with you.
> Though Eidetic sounds great, I think I'm going to put this as a prority of
> 2. I had so much trouble the first month, just trying to figure out IRC
> channels vs. Email Lists vs. Newsservers vs. Broken Email Search
> Systems... etc... That'd like to make the experience for the next
> person(s) who are interested in contributing to Worldforge a smoother
> process.
> As such my priority 1 is going to be the website, layout, and
> transition.  I have seen a response from Philippe Jadin.  That very well
> reflects what I feel about the website as well... It's too complex and
> not complex enough.
> Don't mistake my intentions though, I'm here to play games... And I'd love
> to be involved in any and all work on building the main server game engine
> (STAGE), and I do have a bit of experience with PostgreSQL, so I'll
> continue to read any and all emails to this distro, about it, and try and
> help out as much as I can... Also I did get an account created on Victor
> for me at the shell level and the PostgreSQL database level. So let me
> know if you need anything.
> On a side note, through I did get an account on victor, I am not added to
> the "SUDOERS" file (I checked today).  So keep me posted if we need
> another SysAdmin to help out doing tasks. (As I heard in IRC with you on
> Saturday that we were losing one of the SysAdmins).
> Thanks again for the help in "setting myself up" so I can be some help
> here.  Now let's see what I can do.
> -Michael
> P.S. I did join, @general @announce @server thanks for the
> recommendation... As for the newsserver, it's useless to me during the day
> as I can not get there from behind the firewall I'm at.  And though I can
> get some IRC connections during the day, it's not in my best interest to
> do so during standard business hours at my day job.  So hopefully email
> will be the update method of choice.
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Michael Miyabara-McCaskey wrote:
> > > Bryce,
> > > 
> > > I've been attempting to find something useful to do, for a while now (about
> > > 1 month now)... All I end up accomplishing is posting a lot of "Uhh is
> > > anyone here" type of stuff to the INFRA channel on IRC...
> > 
> > Okay, well stick with me and I can certainly keep you busy.  :-)
> > 
> > > As for the question, I'm very good at doing HTML layout from a site level,
> > > and documentation in general... Although I do not know what the "Eidetic"
> > > team is... Sure!
> > 
> > There's currently about half a dozen of us working on Eidetic.  I'm the
> > principle coder and coordinator and am able to handle probably at least
> > another half dozen at the least.  
> > 
> > The objective for Eidetic is twofold:  To provide the dynamic web /
> > database needs for WorldForge, and to help build the underlying database
> > foundation for STAGE, the worldforge game server.
> > 
> > > Although, to be honest, I'm looking to get some better organization, so I
> > > can actually contribute.  I have a full time job, an off hours consulting
> > > company, and a family of five... I do try and devote an hour or 2 per
> > > weekday to Worldforge... but I can never find anyone on IRC when I'm on that
> > > can give me any direction.
> > 
> > Okay.  As a purty busy guy myself, you might have trouble finding me on
> > IRC, but I try to be on about 8 hrs / day.
> > 
> > > How are any status notifications going out now?  Should I be reading the
> > > newsgroups?  
> > 
> > I would strongly recommend subscribing to general@ and announce@ as a
> > minimum.  Traffic load is low enough (unfortunately) that you have no
> > worry about overloading your mailbox.  I do not use newsgroups but am to
> > understand that it is a degree less reliable than the mailing lists.
> > 
> > > I tried searching the email, but the search engine was down...
> > 
> > It has been down for a long while, and evidently another area where
> > sysadmin assistance is desperately required.
> > 
> > > I tried looking at the new web site, but it's not easy to navigate through,
> > > and it's very difficult to find out status of anything.
> > 
> > Urk...  well that's bad that the new website is difficult to navigate
> > through, since one of the _principle_ requirements and objectives for
> > the new website was to IMPROVE the navigatability of the old site.  I
> > think we could make use of your opinions and thoughts on navigation as
> > we develop Eidetic, so that maybe we can allieviate these concerns.
> > 
> > > I'm not trying to bitch, but I find it annoying that I've been trying to
> > > devote time, and I can never accomplish actually contributing.
> > 
> > *Nod* well it is a legitimate concern.  Half of the problem is that we
> > lack sufficient coordinators to get you to find a place to apply your
> > muscle. 
> > 
> > Supporting Eidetic is my paid career through the Open Source Development
> > Lab, as well as being my current primary focus here at WorldForge.  And
> > it has a great deal of potential not only here at WorldForge but also
> > with the Linux Kernel community (who will be using it for managing their
> > automated testing programs).  So whatever lack of direction you're
> > feeling currently shall be alleviated if you join me on Eidetic
> > development.  
> > 
> > The main objective with Eidetic right now is to set up a simple meeting
> > management system, using the calendaring system coded by Jakub.  Nearly
> > all of the code has been written for this - the current obstacle is just
> > finding a machine with perl/apache/mysql properly set up for running
> > Eidetic, that will allow us to get this application set up and working
> > for WorldForge.  Once the meeting tool is set up and dependable, you can
> > expect to see a number of database systems - including all of the hard
> > work Bear has been doing with the Circe databse tables - up and running
> > for use by Zzorn and others to fill in Dural data for Mason and other
> > games. 
> > 
> > Your one or two hours per workday can be put to *much* use here, and I 
> > am very good at giving direction (ask anyone, and they'll affirm this
> > truth) so let's try to get into contact, so that you can spend your
> > limited time most productively.  
> > 
> > Bryce
> > 
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